sept 22 & 23 auto-x

[350ZTRACK]

We have another auto-x scheduled for next week. Russ is the event chair, and I am safety steward. I will be there both days. See you there. Pete

[RacerX11]

We are planning to be there Sunday only.

Marty

[NOPIS10]

oh man, I would love to go. We'll see if I can get this leak worked out.

[jvb6806]

i should be there.

[Moody]

I should be there Sunday along with the Parkland crew. I may come up early, though, to help out with whatever needs done.

[Larz]

I'll be there in my project Honda

[dnace]

I will be in Chicago the next event in October I am setting aside for. 20 and 21 I think it is

[msp857]

I will be there hopefully both days

[prostcj]

Depends on my wife (very pregnant). We'll see.

[goodee]

Depends on my wife (very pregnant). We'll see.

If she was only partially pregnant I'm betting you could go. :D









I get what your saying, I just couldn't help myself.

[MoeBawlz]

Id like to go but my tires are very... worn...

[marty]

i will probably go on sunday, but saturday is the chili and beer tasting in urbana... so no autox for me :D

[jvb6806]

Id like to go but my tires are very... worn...

no excuses... i have a set for you.

[digitalseance]

I was in Indy this weekend, and plan on being there both days bright 'n early. No trailering this time as it's continuously being a pain the rear to rent one so I'm done with anything other than local events for the year. The indy trip crushed me for a minute...but I beat 4 pony cars ftw in esp :D

[msp857]

I was in Indy this weekend, and plan on being there both days bright 'n early. No trailering this time as it's continuously being a pain the rear to rent one so I'm done with anything other than local events for the year. The indy trip crushed me for a minute...but I beat 4 pony cars ftw in esp :D

Damn i was going to go to Mount Comfort and dual drive Christian's black camaro but decided to do homework instead :(

[Z3papa]

I'll be in Galena next weekend and am likely done for the season but may opt to catch the year end event in November if the itch needs scratching. I ran 17th out of 42 (less than .6 out of 8th) in street tire class after indexing with most of the cream of our class showing up for points. On the last run, I overcooked it into a near 720. So much for pushing the envelope.

[Demigod]

I am planing on coming Sunday only as I have to work on Saturday. IF my brakes arrive by Friday ( ordered them today ) I will be bringing the Wagon for some STX fun!

I do have one question though....

I would like to bring my Girlfriends niece for a ride-along ( during fun run of course ). I kind of forgot the logistics involved that would allow her to get in the car.

[RacerX11]

How old is she? If under 18, would need a minor waver signed by both parent/gaurdians. Not sure what the age cutoff is for being allowed in the grid or for ride-alongs.

Pete?

[350ZTRACK]

They have to be 12 years old for a ride along. Per the rule book. Pete

[HBNR86]

Should be there, most likely just Sunday. Hopefully I can get the tires to stick better in rantoul for me than i did in Chicago this weekend.

[Demigod]

Well I guess she cannot go..... parents are seperated and live 1200 miles from each other.

Are there other options? My girlfriend would be there as her guardian. Could I get a waiver signed by just her mother? And yes she is 12 ( going on 21 ).

[digitalseance]

I think the primary custody holder is sufficient if they're divorced. It's in the Solo rules that you can download from scca.com. I'm sure your GF would have to sign somewhere too. I do know that if you do have the mother sign it prior to coming and you print off the form, bring 2 copies as the region must keep one for the records.

[350ZTRACK]

One parent can sign, but if they are not there it must be notorized. They must also state on the form that they are a single parent with custody. PM me with your e-mail and I will send a copy of the minor waiver. It must be printed in color and you must have 2 copies. Pete

[justjim]

I won't be there, I used up my racing-days allowance for September at Marty's HISCC event on the 1st and 2nd.

Jim

[goodee]

I won't be there, I used up my racing-days allowance for September at Marty's HISCC event on the 1st and 2nd.

Jim

That means there is a Mustang available for anyone who needs a ride this weekend.



Just kidding Jim. Have fun with house chores. I'm hoping to have all mine done on Saturday.

[justjim]

That means there is a Mustang available for anyone who needs a ride this weekend.



Just kidding Jim. Have fun with house chores. I'm hoping to have all mine done on Saturday.

My wife used my Mustang to visit some friends last night (instead of the van or Elantra) and commented she hit 80mph on an onramp before she knew it and it "goes rather fast with little effort". Further, she decided to take some corners a bit fast just to see what the car would do. I'm really eager to get her on the course since I think she'd be a natural at autocross (fearless, perceptive, fun loving, generally good at sports). Now, if we just had on-track daycare I could team-drive with her. If nothing else, she looks cool in the car. Anyhow, hope everyone else has fun this weekend!
Jim

[digitalseance]

Just a reminder to all those who are planning on attending. Remember the "If CCSCC were to start earlier" thread? Keep that in mind as you plan for the event. We need people to get there early to help us get things rolling. I know there will be at least 4 or 5 people there at 7:30am but it takes more than that.

After you get there and get setup find me, Barry, Greg, or Pete and ask if there's something you can help us with.

[goodee]

So let me get this straight, and I'm not trying to "poo poo" this because I still think starting earlier is a good idea; if you get more help around 7:30am or 8am setting up, thus getting ahead of schedule, you are going to send the first car off earlier than noon?

Those people that have no car prep and show up at 10:30 or 11 may be a little upset that you've started already without any advanced notice.

I guess what I'm getting at is you either bite the bullet and say you're starting early or you don't.

I'm not going to be there Saturday (prior plans), but I'm almost positive I'll be there Sunday with Marty. We are bringing our spouses so they can join in the fun; at least that's the plan for now.

Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.

[Moody]

Daily Event Schedule


Registration: 9:00am - 10:30am
Late Registration: 10:30 - 11:00am ($10.00 late registration fee)
Tech Inspection: 9:15am - 10:45am
Rookie Walkthrough: 10:45am
Mandatory Course Walkthrough: 11:15am
Drivers' Meeting: Follows Course Walkthrough
First Car Off: 11:45am


That I am aware, this is the schedule that we will try to follow as the registration/start times have not been officially changed, just discussed. The November autox will push all times back one hour, of course, because of the whole "dark at 5pm" consideration, as it has been every year.

[digitalseance]

I guess what I'm getting at is you either bite the bullet and say you're starting early or you don't.

Moody posted the schedule for the 2007 season. We cannot change that now, but expect changes for next year!


I don't think we are doing the mandatory course walk. We've thrown that out. It is not a requirement for SCCA sanctioning so if you don't walk the course, it's your own damn fault!

Registration will close at 10:30 so I'd like to see the driver's meeting at 11. I'm a pawn in this so it's all up to the event chairman and what he wants to do.

[marty]

thank gawd for getting rid of the mandatory course walk. unless you're a fast walker and get to the front of the crowd, the walkthrough is entirely worthless...

[Z3papa]

Oh the headaches of getting people to change old habits. The entire concept of "late registration from 10:30-11:00 explains why there are no cars off before noon. Assuming there is tech afterward and the person then goes to a driver's meeting, you can not seriously think cars will be off much before noon.

The concept of having rookie walkthrough is good but having mandatory course walk through is a complete waste of time. Can't see anything and all you are doing is add more walking onto someone who has probably walked the course 2-4 times before. Really changing the format is probably something best done at the beginning of the year when people are on notice that a new format is adopted.

[goodee]

I commend you for trying to get the first car off at 11:45. Even though it's only 15 minutes or so earlier it's a start.

Good luck with the late registration fee. We tried that back in the late 90's with HISCC and it didn't go over so well. Actually it went over rather bad, people up and left and took some of those who had already registered with them (after they had gotten their money back). It was ugly!

As I recall it was the last year for those particular board members as well. We all resigned.

[Z3papa]

I commend you for trying to get the first car off at 11:45. Even though it's only 15 minutes or so earlier it's a start.

Good luck with the late registration fee. We tried that back in the late 90's with HISCC and it didn't go over so well. Actually it went over rather bad, people up and left and took some of those who had already registered with them (after they had gotten their money back). It was ugly!

As I recall it was the last year for those particular board members as well. We all resigned.

That's truly amazing. What happened with the whole concept of getting to an event on time if for no other reason out of consideration for everyone else who saw fit to make it?

[goodee]

It's a tough balance between trying to have a laid back atmosphere (why some people come to our events over Chicago) and wanting to keep things moving and efficient.

HISCC's president at the time (no names, although most of you probably wouldn't know him) probably was a little too heavy-handed with the late fee back then. I was on his side however since being late is being late and everyone was told waaaay in advance.

Hopefully things have changed since then.

[Z3papa]

I'm all for laid back. I mean this is not my day job and its out of enjoyment but even being laid back doesn't mean you can't be on time. Chicago comes off more serious and organized out of necessity of running 150-200 cars but even then people can joke around and enjoy themselves.

[jvb6806]

so i have front and rear sway bars on my car. and i was thinking about putting my map back to stock to run STX. but i have a BOV... i thought it was against the class rules but i know i have seen cars with aftermarket BOV's in that class.

can some one please let me know? if i am still in SM i will just leave my map the way it is. (if anyone on here has a stock subaru BOV let me know. i want it)

[prostcj]

You are still in SM.

[marty]

the BOV rule is retarded... i would be willing to bet that if you were back on the old map (hell, you could probably still be on the current map if you wanted...) and left the BOV nobody would really care.

[digitalseance]

You are still in SM.
+1

[jvb6806]

yeah i figured as much. but i do know of a few people who have run STX with a BOV *cough* black VR4 *cough* :) i don't think he is on the site... but no one really seemed to care. i just figured i would play by the rules and ask.

[RacerX11]

Some stuff came up, so it looks like Goodee and I will not make it down this weekend. Have fun.

[marty]

yeah i figured as much. but i do know of a few people who have run STX with a BOV *cough* black VR4 *cough* :) i don't think he is on the site... but no one really seemed to care. i just figured i would play by the rules and ask.

you know, i called him out on that a while back. i think he was offended or something, because he has never been back :rolleyes:

[Alex]

I shall be there!

[digitalseance]

The dude in the red SRT4 started giving me lip when I told him, "FYI, that BOV puts you in SM"

Him: Haha, that's funny
Me: I'm serious
Him: It's a nonperformance enhancement, blah blah blah blah, bitch bitch bitch bitch
Me: Read the rules man, I want one too and I'm in street prepared. I'm a clas ABOVE you!
Him: but that doesn't make sense, blah blah, bitch bitch
Me: That silver WRX over there has sway bars, and a tune with a BOV; he's in SM b/c he knows he needs to be. You can stay in you class since you've already started your runs but for future reference, that's an SM mod. Like it or not, it's the truth.


He wasn't happy. Sorry...

[msp857]

Aren't the rules that you can be in any class you want until someone protests? I know Pete has let me run in BS with the street wheels on (should be BSP) in the rain, just because its more fun to have some competition.

[jvb6806]

FYI phil... the blue WRX, and the Yellow EVO that were there running (X)SPn were both running higher than stock boost, and the blue one had a BOV. they were both really cool guys so i didn't give them shit about it... i just asked why they were in the class. they said that the guy with the WRX told them that was their class :)

i told them both about the site... so hopefully they will join.

had a great time today... unfortunately i can't make it down tomorrow. i need to catch up on some sleep and work on my brothers car in the city.

[prostcj]

An EVO can be in BSP with a boost controller. Just has to have the stock BOV. Seems silly I know.

[HBNR86]

Some of the rules that there are for auto-x'ing just seem a little ridiculous. Makes me wonder sometimes what exactly came about that ended up making them decide to come up with them.

[jvb6806]

from what i understand, the idea is that some factory BOV's leak a little. and if you put an aftermarket BOV on you may hold more boost to redline which would give you more HP. hence your car is no longer stock.

[BWG]

from what i understand, the idea is that some factory BOV's leak a little. and if you put an aftermarket BOV on you may hold more boost to redline which would give you more HP. hence your car is no longer stock.

That is true for some cars like the MS6 and MS3 lose 2psi because of the stock bov.

[Demigod]

Can't make it today. My brake pads arrived but not my rotors. Been trying to contact the company ( buybrakes.com ) and yet to recieve any response. And I cannot bring the Civic because it is locked inside the shop at work. :(

Guess I will catch the last one with the Civic.

[jvb6806]

Can't make it today. My brake pads arrived but not my rotors. Been trying to contact the company ( buybrakes.com ) and yet to recieve any response. And I cannot bring the Civic because it is locked inside the shop at work. :(

Guess I will catch the last one with the Civic.

there are two more events left in the season.

[prostcj]

You can update parts. This allows EVO 8 owners to install EVO 9 BOV's which hold more boost.

[Z3papa]

I remember when I first started and was considering mods, some people said that if you were caught or no one made a big deal about it, I could still run in B stock. Despite that, I slotted into ASP because of springs and other mods and was clearly not competitive. While I have improved as a driver, the fact of the matter is you need to own what you done to your car and put it in the right class. It's less about winning and more about being honest with yourself and others.

[prostcj]

I say we all just drop this handicrapping and run SM. It will make the events go by a lot quicker. Better yet, we should all run AM. No silly indexes and bickering about BOV's and tires. Fastest wins.:D

......if you can beat the formula swift car with a street car you deserve a shirt.

[digitalseance]

amen to that, he was FTD by 5s today! :D

The BOV in *SP is stupid, but you are allowed to run more boost. If they told me their mods then I would tell them appropriately. I remember asking if they messed with boost or had a BOV and some said yes and others said no. On the bright side, they're all novices so at least they know now...

BTW Jim, Pete made an announcement at the trophy presentation about your show; hopefully some will come. He told everyone to come here from the ccscc site for more info.

I didn't have so much of a spinning problem like I did yesterday but the car is still VERY loose. I let Moody take it for a fun run and he said it was the loosest AWD car he's ever driven. I think I'll change a shock setting for October...speaking of the October event....hmm, new thread...

[2ks4 : Jason]

amen to that, he was FTD by 5s today! :D

The BOV in *SP is stupid, but you are allowed to run more boost. If they told me their mods then I would tell them appropriately. I remember asking if they messed with boost or had a BOV and some said yes and others said no. On the bright side, they're all novices so at least they know now...

BTW Jim, Pete made an announcement at the trophy presentation about your show; hopefully some will come. He told everyone to come here from the ccscc site for more info.

I didn't have so much of a spinning problem like I did yesterday but the car is still VERY loose. I let Moody take it for a fun run and he said it was the loosest AWD car he's ever driven. I think I'll change a shock setting for October...speaking of the October event....hmm, new thread...

Bro, it didn't feel loose at all. Maybe you could use 2 stabilizers front and back.

Tire pressure?

Coilover?

It felt fine.

I was more impressed by the handling than the speed.

good run. it was fun

[2ks4 : Jason]

That is true for some cars like the MS6 and MS3 lose 2psi because of the stock bov.

I run stock diverter valves. They hold 18 psi no problem.

[msp857]

I run stock diverter valves. They hold 18 psi no problem.

Maybe you should try and use only 1 of those psi while exiting the airbase next time. :rolleyes:

[2ks4 : Jason]

Maybe you should try and use only 1 of those psi while exiting the airbase next time. :rolleyes:

The cop told me the same thing when he pulled me over on I74.

Your car is stock?

You were running mad times today? Nice!

[HBNR86]

I was almost as impressed with your exit today as I was with you showing up to come race today. But you nor Dawson showed up to actually race. I guess you showed us how fast your cars were when you left today.

[marty]

I was almost as impressed with your exit today as I was with you showing up to come race today. But you nor Dawson showed up to actually race. I guess you showed us how cool you are when you left though.

did you quote the wrong person? ross was racing today :p

[2ks4 : Jason]

I was almost as impressed with your exit today as I was with you showing up to come race today. But you nor Dawson showed up to actually race. I guess you showed us how cool you are when you left though.

I don't have powersteering. I would have demolished all the cones.

I have never auto x'd either. So I would be terrible.

When I looked around I noticed that I was on Private Property with no one in the way. So what is wrong with a little boost?

I am sure you have never broke any speed laws.

You could have asked me to drive my car...but no one did.

[RacerX11]

When I looked around I noticed that I was on Private Property with no one in the way. So what is wrong with a little boost?

What's wrong? Maybe you driving in a manner that will get the SCCA kicked off the private property. The racing happens on the track, not in the parking lot. I wasn't there to witness your exit, but based on the comments from others, I would say if that is how you drive/behave, don't ever bother coming back.

[2ks4 : Jason]

Sorry bro. my bad.

[jvb6806]

I don't have powersteering. I would have demolished all the cones.

I have never auto x'd either. So I would be terrible.

When I looked around I noticed that I was on Private Property with no one in the way. So what is wrong with a little boost?

so you are saying that your car doesn't handle well and you can't control where it is going... so why not speed in a parking lot 50 yards from a race track... makes sense to me.

and i agree with marty... keep the racing on the track, and if you can't do that you are not welcome.

PS your sig is about 3x larger than it needs to be.

and pete... thanks for mentioning my car show! i hope to see some of you there in AutoX trim!

[2ks4 : Jason]

so you are saying that your car doesn't handle well and you can't control where it is going... so why not speed in a parking lot 50 yards from a race track... makes sense to me.

and i agree with marty... keep the racing on the track, and if you can't do that you are not welcome.

PS your sig is about 3x larger than it needs to be.

and pete... thanks for mentioning my car show! i hope to see some of you there in AutoX trim!


slow down, i removed my sig, i won't go to rantoul anymore anything else fellas.

My car handle great. I have kickass suspension brakes etc. I just don't want to fight it pulling a complete 180 on auto x.

[Moody]

The Parkland Civic doesn't have power steering and we seem to do just fine in it. Gives you a bit of an upper body workout during your run is all.

[2ks4 : Jason]

I just don't want to auto x my car I am not into auto x. I don't have any excuses. I just don't want to tear anything up. Replacing parts on a civic is a lot different than replacing parts on a twin turbo german car. I just wanted to go watch and hang out with some friends. Alex, Brian, & davis because they were there and see some cars.

my car weighs a little more than that hatch civic.

Some of the cars there were really cool.

[Brian66D]

Maybe you should try and use only 1 of those psi while exiting the airbase next time. :rolleyes:

ohh now now....those words coming from the true mr. 100mph off ramp himself? ;)

[Brian66D]

I was almost as impressed with your exit today as I was with you showing up to come race today. But you nor Dawson showed up to actually race. I guess you showed us how fast your cars were when you left today.

Sorry I ended up getting too drunk to operate a vehicle at 7am. I lost my shoes and cut my foot in the process. I didnt end up in jail. It was a happy day for me.

I let a complete stranger drive my car at 6am to pick up my girlfriend from a dump ass frat because she was getting hit on. He killed my car three times leaving the parking lot.

I apologise for not giving up a night of getting hammered to beat the balls off my car. Maybe next time i'll just show up wasted. It should be more fun that way anyways.

I missed all the arguing tonight, no fun for me. :mad:

[Brian66D]

What's wrong? Maybe you driving in a manner that will get the SCCA kicked off the private property. The racing happens on the track, not in the parking lot. I wasn't there to witness your exit, but based on the comments from others, I would say if that is how you drive/behave, don't ever bother coming back.

I'm not sticking up for him at all. You should check your sources, I was infront of jason until we got out of town...then the gumball rally began, different story. But i never crossed the 35mph mark on my speedo, and correct me if i'm wrong here....but if he was no farther back than 100ft of my 35mph moving car...how fast could he honestly have been going? I dont see a problem going 35mph,....do you?

[Brian66D]

The Parkland Civic doesn't have power steering and we seem to do just fine in it. Gives you a bit of an upper body workout during your run is all.

weight est. on that beast?

[2ks4 : Jason]

I'm not sticking up for him at all. You should check your sources, I was infront of jason until we got out of town...then the gumball rally began, different story. But i never crossed the 35mph mark on my speedo, and correct me if i'm wrong here....but if he was no farther back than 100ft of my 35mph moving car...how fast could he honestly have been going? I dont see a problem going 35mph,....do you?

I am sure I was driving too fast. They are just hating on me and the slow 4 door

[Moody]

The speed limit on base is 20mph, so there is something wrong with nearly doubling that (35mph). The black Audi was going well over 35mph in the parking lot as it left (which is zoned 15mph and was the scene of a wreck involving an attendee earlier this year). Seeing as 80% of our events are held at Rantoul and our use of the facilities being contingent on those in attendence being respectful while they are visiting the town, we tend to watchdog for any who would place their own cheap thrills over our privlage to use the site.

[Brian66D]

The speed limit on base is 20mph, so there is something wrong with nearly doubling that (35mph). The black Audi was going well over 35mph in the parking lot as it left (which is zoned 15mph and was the scene of a wreck involving an attendee earlier this year). Seeing as 80% of our events are held at Rantoul and our use of the facilities being contingent on those in attendence being respectful while they are visiting the town, we tend to watchdog for any who would place their own cheap thrills over our privlage to use the site.

Okay well you keep thinking. In the short time i was there I saw a black crx fly down that road numerous times along with other people coming from the bathroom, taking the corner like it was pregame...bitch about them? no. Come on now, lets be real....

You want to find someone that will issue me that ticket for speeding in your airbase? Go ahead and do it, i'll accept...along with 100's of other people.....you really suck at arguing you know.

[2ks4 : Jason]

The speed limit on base is 20mph, so there is something wrong with nearly doubling that (35mph). The black Audi was going well over 35mph in the parking lot as it left (which is zoned 15mph and was the scene of a wreck involving an attendee earlier this year). Seeing as 80% of our events are held at Rantoul and our use of the facilities being contingent on those in attendence being respectful while they are visiting the town, we tend to watchdog for any who would place their own cheap thrills over our privlage to use the site.


Read prior post up. I admitted to speeding. Who was the kid with the gti running full boost leaving that joint 2 times.

It is safer to get on it in the open parking lot than run the shit out of all those cars that are not even close to track worthy while people are standing 20 feet from some cones?

Come on man if you dont like me its cool.

But to make the aqusations and other shit is absolutely ridiculous.

I SPED! I didn't rape a child.

So you guys only rent out one side of the fence?

And there is no way i can get you guys kicked off. I wasnt a paricipant I was merely a spectator.

[Moody]

My post was not meant to be argumentative, only informative. The only car I personally saw driving in an unsafe manner was the aforementioned Audi, which is why it is the only one I commented on. You know what they say about arguing on the internet don't you? de de de!!!

[Moody]

The site is rented from the village of Rantoul, so anything negative even remotely connected with our event happening within the city limits reflects poorly on us (wether or not it is either intended or deserved). People are upset as they feel this should have been common sense. I don't think anyone in charge would be adverse to you guys attending future events as long as you refrain from such actions in the future.

[2ks4 : Jason]

My post was not meant to be argumentative, only informative. The only car I personally saw driving in an unsafe manner was the aforementioned Audi, which is why it is the only one I commented on. You know what they say about arguing on the internet don't you? de de de!!!

Its cool. I hate argueing as well but how is 40 or so with 14" slotted disc and 4 piston brakes going straght unsafe?

The worst thing that would have happened would have been me slamming into the silver audi in front of me.

There was not any other cars within hundreds of feet from me.

[Brian66D]

My post was not meant to be argumentative, only informative. The only car I personally saw driving in an unsafe manner was the aforementioned Audi, which is why it is the only one I commented on. You know what they say about arguing on the internet don't you? de de de!!!


You shouldnt start retarded b.s. on the internet if you dont feel like arguing.

I think the points made are valid. Is your car honestly track worthy....How about those people standing on the track. Are these daily driven "racecars" inspected before they head out on the track hitting 50mph within a close vicinity of people. Tossing your car around corners with people nearby is oh so much more safe than getting on the gas in a straight line for what the whole 500 ft?

I saw plenty of cars hit 40mph easily on that road. Even saw someone slide around the corner leaving the bathroom coming back to do some racing in his sweet autocross racecar.

It is a pointless argument because the odds really arent in your favor if you think about the points mentioned.

Pointless argument, it should be over. He got on the gas hard in his car....shoot him. He didnt burn out, slide, or even chirp his tires. In all reality I got on it harder than he did...sorry you just couldnt hear my ferocious stock exhuast.

[msp857]

I'm not sticking up for him at all. You should check your sources, I was infront of jason until we got out of town...then the gumball rally began, different story. But i never crossed the 35mph mark on my speedo, and correct me if i'm wrong here....but if he was no farther back than 100ft of my 35mph moving car...how fast could he honestly have been going? I dont see a problem going 35mph,....do you?

lol brian, you were at the end of the fence when he floored it from the beginning of the fence until he reached you. He was going well over 50, and admitted to speeding already.

You shouldnt start retarded b.s. on the internet if you dont feel like arguing.

I think the points made are valid. Is your car honestly track worthy....How about those people standing on the track. Are these daily driven "racecars" inspected before they head out on the track hitting 50mph within a close vicinity of people. Tossing your car around corners with people nearby is oh so much more safe than getting on the gas in a straight line for what the whole 500 ft?

I saw plenty of cars hit 40mph easily on that road. Even saw someone slide around the corner leaving the bathroom coming back to do some racing in his sweet autocross racecar.

It is a pointless argument because the odds really arent in your favor if you think about the points mentioned.

Pointless argument, it should be over. He got on the gas hard in his car....shoot him. He didnt burn out, slide, or even chirp his tires. In all reality I got on it harder than he did...sorry you just couldnt hear my ferocious stock exhuast. ?

What is it with you and arguing online? Don't you have anything better to do? You both know it was a dumb and unsafe thing to do - this summer 2 cars hit each other in that parking lot doing about 30 and one passenger went to hospital. There are no kids, spectators, other random cars on the course and most importantly no 25mph speed limit, and everyone is trained and expecting cars to come flying around. Give it up.

[Brian66D]

I'll give it up. I wont give up my life to a rolling dump that isnt track worthy that just might fly my way though.....If this shit is so "serious", why arent the cars inspected. I love how my post that said it perfectly got deleted.

Arguing online....I wasnt on until after midnight and I have plenty of better things to do. It is just whats going to happen when people dont reason. I can argue on here all day.

[msp857]

:rolleyes: You never quit running your mouth? All the cars are inspected thoroughly... why do you think they weren't?

[digitalseance]

If this shit is so "serious", why arent the cars inspected. I love how my post that said it perfectly got deleted.

Well, it wasn't me who deleted it.

Every car must go through a techincal inspection. You didn't see this because it occurs from 9:30am til 10:30am before the cars hit the course. They all must be approved and deemed safe to run as well as the helmets that people bring. I had to decline one helmet on saturday b/c it didn't meet the standards. Larz got declined in tech because of an upper ball joint issue on his civic. We DO turn people away for safety reasons.

[Brian66D]

:rolleyes: You never quit running your mouth? All the cars are inspected thoroughly... why do you think they weren't?

I quit when it is necessary. So you're telling me that every car is checked over completely to assure its safe to head out on the track? I find b.s. all over that. I highly doubt half those econoboxes out there are considered "safe" do that that stuff by any means.

[digitalseance]

OH?????????

How long have you been autocrossing? How long have we? I guess we have no idea what we're talking about then huh?

Mechanical reliability and being safe are two totally different things.

[marty]

I quit when it is necessary. So you're telling me that every car is checked over completely to assure its safe to head out on the track? I find b.s. all over that. I highly doubt half those econoboxes out there are considered "safe" do that that stuff by any means.

keep digging that hole...

[Brian66D]

OH?????????

How long have you been autocrossing? How long have we? I guess we have no idea what we're talking about then huh?

Mechanical reliability and being safe are two totally different things.

I'm not sitting here trying to prove anyone wrong about autocrossing...I just think its a little over the edge all the freaking out on someone for getting on the gas a little bit in a completely safe way when one of those cars could very easily lose control and kill someone (as seen in videos). My point being that at any time a part could break when tossing your car into a turn at speed, which could severly hurt/kill someone. I only argued because I felt like everyone freaking out wasn't necessary. The autox itself I dont care how safe and controlled it is...is more dangerous than getting on it in second gear leaving a parkinglot in a straight line down a road. that is all.

[digitalseance]

The autox itself I dont care how safe and controlled it is...is more dangerous than getting on it in second gear leaving a parkinglot in a straight line down a road. that is all.
You're missing the point. If you leave the site "enthusiastically" then you're reflecting bad on us. The cops are notified we're there and are always on the lookout for us violating the laws. There has already been one accident in the said parking lot this year. We're doing our best to prevent another.

It may not be as "safe" but it's in a controlled INSURED environment. If someone looses it and hurts somebody while on course at the autox, the SCCA will pay for medical bills (limit varies depending on guest or member) because it's an insured event. If the same happens on the parking lot, you're on your own.

Just do us a favor, if you come back then when you enter the area or when you leave the area, drive slow and sensibly. If you can't do that, then please do not come back. We yell at participants when they drive too fast just the same and talk about it during our mandatory drivers meeting at and before each event.

[Z3papa]

I'm hesitant to get into the rant session but I'll add my 2 cents. In every autocross I have been to either at Rantoul or Joliet and every other place, there is an annoucement to drivers and spectators about doing exactly what you are talking about here -- driving fast on or just off the event site. The air base has a ridiculously low speed limit which is there for a reason -- because they know there are places highly prone to accidents like the one that happened last year right outside the bathrooms. Event sites get to make and enforce their rules for a reason. They can choose to not extend the site to the group. Groups all the time are losing sites because of people jacking around. As for comparing the driving on the autocross course to this driving, that's just plain stupid. The safety considerations put in place to assure safety of the drivers (tech inspection, helmets, multiple workers at each corner, radios, flags, course arrangement for safe corner stations, etc) and co-workers is so much greater than what the average driver encounters on the street. Stop justifying a stupid decision and simply say, "ok, I/He made a mistake. We live and learn and I'll be more respectful next time". It would be over and done with.

[NOPIS10]

I'm hesitant to get into the rant session but I'll add my 2 cents. In every autocross I have been to either at Rantoul or Joliet and every other place, there is an annoucement to drivers and spectators about doing exactly what you are talking about here -- driving fast on or just off the event site. The air base has a ridiculously low speed limit which is there for a reason -- because they know there are places highly prone to accidents like the one that happened last year right outside the bathrooms. Event sites get to make and enforce their rules for a reason. They can choose to not extend the site to the group. Groups all the time are losing sites because of people jacking around. As for comparing the driving on the autocross course to this driving, that's just plain stupid. The safety considerations put in place to assure safety of the drivers (tech inspection, helmets, multiple workers at each corner, radios, flags, course arrangement for safe corner stations, etc) and co-workers is so much greater than what the average driver encounters on the street. Stop justifying a stupid decision and simply say, "ok, I/He made a mistake. We live and learn and I'll be more respectful next time". It would be over and done with.

Not to mention the fact that if you are working the course you are supposed/required to be watching the car that is by you and on your feet so that if anything were to happen you would be able to move out of the way. The club also requires that if you are taking pictures that you have a spotter to watch out for you.

Arguing about breaking the speed limit in a place that we are allowed to be at by the city is stupid.

[Brian66D]

I guess i'm talking to one sided minds. I'm not going to argue with you and take up forum space for no apparent reason. I didnt break the rules. I did accel up to speed at a safe rate though. My only point was why i/he/we are getting picked out of the crowd here....more than one person was speeding if the limit was 20...that is my valid point. I saw a black crx flying up and down that road. I saw another old black honda if i remember correctly come around the corner from the bathroom and even had a little bit of understeer because of the rate he was traveling.

Sorry for all this b.s. but im only trying to be realistic here. Mistakes were made, its not the end of the world....I would just like things to be "fair" when bitching about something that has been done. Equally get pissed at everyone who broke the speed rule, which is most likely alot of you too. Thanks.

[haunter]

I guess i'm talking to one sided minds. I'm not going to argue with you and take up forum space for no apparent reason. I didnt break the rules. I did accel up to speed at a safe rate though. My only point was why i/he/we are getting picked out of the crowd here....more than one person was speeding if the limit was 20...that is my valid point. I saw a black crx flying up and down that road. I saw another old black honda if i remember correctly come around the corner from the bathroom and even had a little bit of understeer because of the rate he was traveling.

Sorry for all this b.s. but im only trying to be realistic here. Mistakes were made, its not the end of the world....I would just like things to be "fair" when bitching about something that has been done. Equally get pissed at everyone who broke the speed rule, which is most likely alot of you too. Thanks.


No, they aren't one sided, you are missing the point that has been plainly spelled out for about 12 times in the thread.

It was already stated that he made the comment because the audi was the only car he noticed speeding. People that run/do the event don't pay that much attention to the cars in the lot because they are WATCHING or RACING.

The other cars you mention didn't sound like anyone on the site ,so they can't be bitched at here.

no one cares that you feel like you or whoever did'accel up to speed at a safe rate', a speed that was double the speed limit, at a rate that got yourself LOTS of attention.

if lots of people noticed, then it was too fast. period.

You get rantoul in a tizzy and the site goes bye bye then the closest place to autoX is Joliet. Thats why everyone is 'freaking out'.

Sorry you can't see that this about more than you speeding, of course everyone here speeds, its WHERE AND WHEN that they care about.

[2ks4 : Jason]

No, they aren't one sided, you are missing the point that has been plainly spelled out for about 12 times in the thread.

It was already stated that he made the comment because the audi was the only car he noticed speeding. People that run/do the event don't pay that much attention to the cars in the lot because they are WATCHING or RACING.

The other cars you mention didn't sound like anyone on the site ,so they can't be bitched at here.

no one cares that you feel like you or whoever did'accel up to speed at a safe rate', a speed that was double the speed limit, at a rate that got yourself LOTS of attention.

if lots of people noticed, then it was too fast. period.

You get rantoul in a tizzy and the site goes bye bye then the closest place to autoX is Joliet. Thats why everyone is 'freaking out'.

Sorry you can't see that this about more than you speeding, of course everyone here speeds, its WHERE AND WHEN that they care about.

Hey you guys should post about 10 more times that I was speeding.

I got the point. \


DO you want me to start a new thread.

"ASSHOLE IN BLACK AUDI USES EXCELERATOR"

[haunter]

maybe it should be "ASSHOLE IN BLACK AUDI CANT SPELL LARGE WORDS"

:D

seriously though, my post was direct at brian who didnt seem to understand why everyone was upset.

You made a mistake, don't do it again, no biggie.....

[2ks4 : Jason]

maybe it should be "ASSHOLE IN BLACK AUDI CANT SPELL LARGE WORDS"

:D

seriously though, my post was direct at brian who didnt seem to understand why everyone was upset.

You made a mistake, don't do it again, no biggie.....

LOL! Fixed. I noticed it but you posted before I corrected it;

[Alex]

Soooooo...... other than all that noise It was pretty good times yesterday! Well other than my times that is:D


-Alex

[digitalseance]

^^^ Agreed. I definitely liked Sunday's version better than saturday. I hope to have my videos captured and uploaded tonight. the first one will be my last run on Sunday with Jason in the car and my spin at the finish followed by the reversing through the finish cones...

[2ks4 : Jason]

Soooooo...... other than all that noise It was pretty good times yesterday! Well other than my times that is:D


-Alex

I thought you had to be a certain height to enter? ;^P

[HBNR86]

Yea, it was a pretty good day, definatley a fun course. The ending offest slalom destroyed my tires though. :(

[dnace]

I am sure if this black crx or whatever was on the site we would call him out too. Not saying what you did wasn't under control just please be weary that this is a sacred site to us and if we lose it there isn't much around for us to auto-x on anymore.

[digitalseance]

Vids are now up!!

1 - Spin at finish w/ Jason
2 - Rally pigs CAN oversteer!
3 - JVB's fun run in my WRX

http://www.cicenet.net/vbforums/showthread.php?p=21256#post21256

[Brian66D]

No, they aren't one sided, you are missing the point that has been plainly spelled out for about 12 times in the thread.

It was already stated that he made the comment because the audi was the only car he noticed speeding. People that run/do the event don't pay that much attention to the cars in the lot because they are WATCHING or RACING.

The other cars you mention didn't sound like anyone on the site ,so they can't be bitched at here.

no one cares that you feel like you or whoever did'accel up to speed at a safe rate', a speed that was double the speed limit, at a rate that got yourself LOTS of attention.

if lots of people noticed, then it was too fast. period.

You get rantoul in a tizzy and the site goes bye bye then the closest place to autoX is Joliet. Thats why everyone is 'freaking out'.

Sorry you can't see that this about more than you speeding, of course everyone here speeds, its WHERE AND WHEN that they care about.

I didnt get the attention first off....so unless you know what you're talking about stay out of the convo.

Okay so you're telling me you didnt cross 20mph leaving?
I can argue all day but it is simply pointless.

argument \

[Brian66D]

I am sure if this black crx or whatever was on the site we would call him out too. Not saying what you did wasn't under control just please be weary that this is a sacred site to us and if we lose it there isn't much around for us to auto-x on anymore.

GOT IT.

I love how everyone turned this on me like I was the one boosting 18psi. It was that asshat in the S4. hah

I was only trying to make a valid point that nothing was done that needed to be bitched at but its whatever.

Going to race isnt ever going to happen for me anyways, I wont ever waste a saturday night of getting drunk for that. :)

[haunter]

I didnt get the attention first off....so unless you know what you're talking about stay out of the convo.

Okay so you're telling me you didnt cross 20mph leaving?
I can argue all day but it is simply pointless.

argument \

I go 15 when i am out there, generally, rantoul cops stop by autox a few times per event, no need for tickets for me:no3:


notice I said you or WHOEVER btw:)

[haunter]

Going to race isnt ever going to happen for me anyways, I wont ever waste a saturday night of getting drunk for that. :)

kinda sad, but ok, sure!

[Larz]

I own a black CRX. It was there. The only way it was speeding is if one of the girls with us went too fast when they went into town to get us drinks (they took my car since it failed tech). Knowing how slow that thing is, it takes some serious noise and effort to get it going. If there was a problem, someone should have said something to them. Afraid of two small women? They both know the speed limit is a slow crawl. Regardless, someone else doing it DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT. Your argument looks like this:

1. Stalin killed millions of people.
2. Hitler killed millions of people.
:. (C) It is acceptable for anyone to kill millions of people.

This is an example of an invalid argument. Both premises are true, but the conclusion in false.

[Z3papa]

Not to try to have the last word, but after reading this thread (which is nearly as bad as the Bloomington Bad Job thread), I was wondering about how old you were and how long you'd been here as I am relatively new myself. I noticed that you have been here for a total of 7 days and have a post average of 11 posts a day. Considering you must have 20 in this thread alone, I'd say your off to a roaring start. Hang in there as next year will come, we all have our moments of frustration and this should not be getting you down. As for all folks out there, peace and goodwill.

[Larz]

The dude in the red SRT4 started giving me lip when I told him, "FYI, that BOV puts you in SM"

Him: Haha, that's funny
Me: I'm serious
Him: It's a nonperformance enhancement, blah blah blah blah, bitch bitch bitch bitch
Me: Read the rules man, I want one too and I'm in street prepared. I'm a clas ABOVE you!
Him: but that doesn't make sense, blah blah, bitch bitch
Me: That silver WRX over there has sway bars, and a tune with a BOV; he's in SM b/c he knows he needs to be. You can stay in you class since you've already started your runs but for future reference, that's an SM mod. Like it or not, it's the truth.


He wasn't happy. Sorry...

He was butt hurt because he went to the CCSCC site to class his car before he even ordered parts. He saw nothing about a BOV knocking him into a higher class. Yes, the rules are the rules, but the thing doesn't do anything but make noise and cost money. He asked me and I told him to check online. I have never thought of putting an after market one in my RX-7, so I did not know off the top of my head.

[Brian66D]

Not to try to have the last word, but after reading this thread (which is nearly as bad as the Bloomington Bad Job thread), I was wondering about how old you were and how long you'd been here as I am relatively new myself. I noticed that you have been here for a total of 7 days and have a post average of 11 posts a day. Considering you must have 20 in this thread alone, I'd say your off to a roaring start. Hang in there as next year will come, we all have our moments of frustration and this should not be getting you down. As for all folks out there, peace and goodwill.

Thank you Z3 papa. You have a voice of reason, I like that.

I was only arguing because I felt everyone was being very irrational. That is all. Now i was in my car with the a/c on and some music....Jason's car is pretty loud so it prob. did look worse than it actually was because of the sound, although i didnt hear it.

Anyways i realize that is what you guys do for fun and what not....Taking that airbase away from you guys would be like taking booze or my girlfriend away from me and well I couldnt go without either. ;)

So you all can be happy with your obsessive hobby and i'll be happy with the excitement in life. I enjoy cars, just not to the point where i'll give up stuff to go race and attend shows...I did that back in highschool.

[digitalseance]

He was butt hurt because he went to the CCSCC site to class his car before he even ordered parts. He saw nothing about a BOV knocking him into a higher class. Yes, the rules are the rules, but the thing doesn't do anything but make noise and cost money. He asked me and I told him to check online. I have never thought of putting an after market one in my RX-7, so I did not know off the top of my head.
I understand his side, for sure, and I agree with it 100%. However, the only thing I can find on CCSCC's site in regards to classing and rules is:
Car Class Information
CCSCC runs all events using current SCCA Solo II rules, including car classes. We do have a novice class for those with little or no experience in autocrossing.

Now, a mis-interpretation of the rules is common. The rule of thumb is that if it doesn't say you CAN, then you CAN'T.

I hope he didn't take it personally as it surely wasn't a personal attack or anything. Maybe next year the SEB will change it, but I won't hold my breath. A rumor surfaced at the beginning of the year that they were legal but it was obviously false. I actually posted it on CSS that they were legal and never went back to correct the post once the 2007 rules were released.

So you all can be happy with your obsessive hobby and i'll be happy with the excitement in life. I enjoy cars, just not to the point where i'll give up stuff to go race and attend shows...I did that back in highschool.
You'll grow up soon, it's ok. There's more to life than a bottle of booze. I learned that about 3yrs ago. You'll come around, I have faith.

[NOPIS10]

Booze bores me. Whenever I drink the only thing I want to do is go attack some twisties which isn't really a good combination. :)

[gary p]

Taking that airbase away from you guys would be like taking booze or my girlfriend away from me and well I couldnt go without either.

Imagine if one-by-one all the bars in campus-town were shut down but one, and the cops are watching that last bar like a hawk. You'd probably be a little uptight if somebody did something that might attract the attention of Johnny Law. Thats what's going on with autocross sites in the area. When I first started 15 years ago we had 5 regular sites in central Illinois. We're down to one regular site in Rantoul and a handful of tenuous one-offs. If we lose Rantoul (which is a site that most regions in the country would die to have because of its size, price, and availability) our autocross program goes from ~26 events a year to 6, two of which are on pretty crappy lots and the other 4 an hour+ drive from Champaign. Thus the rather short fuse when it comes to seemingly small transgressions near the site.

Hope you and your buddy in the S4 come back and actually try it some time. The adrenaline rush you get from a good run is way better than any alcohol buz you'll get on a Saturday night. Just please drive like a granny anywhere north of Thomasboro!

[2ks4 : Jason]

Hope you and your buddy in the S4 come back and actually try it some time. The adrenaline rush you get from a good run is way better than any alcohol buz you'll get on a Saturday night.

I'd do it if my S wasn't my daily. It is a real unreliable car since it hit 450-500hp.

Adrenalin is great but you can buy that in a bottle too. LOL!

That little roadster car was FUCKING SICK.

I'd rock that thing anyday.

[dnace]

I'd do it if my S wasn't my daily. It is a real unreliable car since it hit 450-500hp.

Adrenalin is great but you can buy that in a bottle too. LOL!

That little roadster car was FUCKING SICK.

I'd rock that thing anyday.

I love how people say that. I would think putting crazy hp figures down would cause more reliability issues than auto-x. I personally have never had realiability problems stemming directly from auto-x. But I understand your fear of having one car.

[Brian66D]

You'll grow up soon, it's ok. There's more to life than a bottle of booze. I learned that about 3yrs ago. You'll come around, I have faith.

I know theres alot more to life than a bottle of booze, I just have fun doing it....I've been being a bit of a limp wrist lately and spending alot of time with the g/f so i havent actually been hitting the bottle except on weekends....maybe a few thursays :o

I get what you're saying though.



In all reality, nothing against anyone I just dont think i'll ever make it back. I can't punish myself by waking up at 7 on a sunday. It just wont happen.